Why I'm ignoring a lot of fandom posts...
Mar. 22nd, 2009 09:28 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
surevestaThis pretty much sums up my thoughts in regard to why I don't comment on both flist and dean_sam community posts. As in, I agree with that post and most of the comments.
I won't deny that I'm a Deangirl BUT I also really do love Sam as well- I'm just more interested in Deans!Storyarcmythos at the moment- mostly because I really just hate Genevieve's version of Ruby and flinch everytime I see her on screen. Most of the times she's on screen is when Sam is without Dean.
What has really come to annoy me are the people out there in fandom saying dean needs to 'getthehelloverhell'. Excuse me... what?
Dean is whinging. Dean is emo. Dean needs to get over it.
Would ya'll tell a POW who was tortured for months to gtf over it after being rescued? Hell, POW's take years to 'get over' things and *never fully do*. I'm talking about the ones that are treated badly... and guess what... they will never be the same person they were before. And those POWs? They tend to have therapists and people they talk to. Sam got Dean to spill his guts but hasn't really tried to help him through it. The only other person Dean has is Castiel... to me it made *sense* that Dean opened up to Cas and not Sam at the end of the last episode because SAM ISN'T HELPING. Dean opens up to Sam and what does he do? Basically tells him to get mad and get over it. He thinks Dean is weak for not being able to handle 40 years of being in a place that is unimaginable.
Side note: I read some things about how Dean's torture scene wasn't very good. Umm? I thought the holy water in veins and the salt in the mouth was pretty good. Both would be painful to both the demon *and* the host. Double the fun. Why was Sam more successful in the end?
a. Dean didn't want to do it in the first place
b. As alistair pointed out to dean- in the real world torture isn't as fun because you *can't cut as deep*... guess what. Sam cut to the demon's very *soul* Dean could only cut the host and do what he could with the magic knife (which we know can't kill Alastair)
c. Sam wanted to save Dean... this is where we see as screwed up as Sam is he actually does want to help Dean and still cares for him. Same thing with CasvsSam scene in the hospital
Do I miss old Dean? Sure, of course I do. That's why I rewatch episodes from time to time. But, I like the progression of the series.
I'm a fan that just joined up in August 08. I rented seasons 1-3 on netflix and pretty much marathoned it. I downloaded season 4 and even watched the first couple episodes before I finished season 3. For the first three seasons (yes even after 'the deal') it was mostly about SAM. Now that Dean's actually part of the central mythos of the show people are upset? I'd think even Sam girls would be happy that Dean isn't just there to protect Sam- that Sam is starting to stand on his own to feet thus FREEING Dean to play a bigger role. Oh wait... if that means less Sam time then nonono- doesn't work for them. Do I complain when an episode spent most of it's time around Sam... or hell when the first and second season REVOLVED around Sam? NO. I enjoyed the damn show like any fan.
I pretty much got the entire show in a series of marathons. I didn't want months or weeks to see new episodes. I liked Sam and Dean pretty much equally. The thing is that I actually sympathized more with Dean in the end.
Why? Because while Sam was able to escape the life that he lived Dean wasn't. Dean *could* have left when he turned 18 but didn't because he was the one that took care of Sam and John. He loved his family more than anything- it was all he had. He was the one that made sure that Sam had everything he wanted. In the end what happened? John and Sam fought and Sam abandoned not only John, but Dean as well. Dean who sacrificed all his wants for Sam. Dean was left with one thing, person, to cling onto: his Dad. Eventually John left too and Dean went to find Sam. Does Sam ever care about what Dean sacrificed? Not really, at least not until season 3. Even then it's more about what Sam wants than Dean.
Sam finally wants his older brother and is realizing what he'll be without. He doesn't even stop to consider methods- the doctor dude in the one episode I hated (not content... I just hate shows that deal with body parts of living people being grafted onto others) was not someone Sam should have even considered where it comes to keeping Dean alive.
Once Dean's gone Sam is conveniently saved by Ruby who he makes an alliance with- and from Sam's own mouth (she said what Dean would have said) sort of replaced Dean. We get that in the most recent episode as well- she called him Sammy without protest from him.
Dean is back and Sam is still acting like he's not. Sure he *knows* that Dean is back, but he's acting as if Dean should be the person he was before he spent 40 years in hell. Of all people Sam should know how supernatural things can change a person permanently- how many people have they saved or fought? Is Sam actually trying to help Dean? I say no. not really.
Hell, Sam doesn't even trust his brother anymore. He doesn't tell him anything. Sam pushed and pushed Dean to open up- even when Sam 'wasn't pushing' he still was- it was hanging between them. So, Dean finally opens up about hell and about torturing other souls... and now what do we see... Sam telling Dean to get angry and get over it. Dean doesn't want to get angry because the torturing he did? He did it through anger. Anger about being tortured.
Dean is breaking and Sam isn't helping him. The Sam who used to practically be a psychologist for the victims the ran into at times isn't really trying to help Dean deal with things in a correct manner. He doesn't seem to want to. He, like a lot of fans, expect Dean to just be the old Dean again.
News flash: ain't gonna happen. Why? Because the characters have grown, changed, and evolved over time. Sam has, Dean has, hell Bobby has. Even Castiel has.
Why isn't it the brother show anymore? Well it ain't because of Dean. Dean keeps trying to reconnect with Sam- practically every episode he asks Sam to stop lying to him... does Sam? No. In fact, while Dean is trying to be a brother Sam really isn't. Sam goes through the motions but this latest episode shows that no, Sam isn't trying to be that brother anymore. Maybe it's not on purpose... but Ruby has replaced Dean in being the person Sam needs- at least in his own mind. That was hammered home for me via Ruby calling Sam 'Sammy'.
All in all- don't tell me Dean needs to 'get over it'. Because I'll take that as you saying a POW needs to get over months of torture. And really? Those months have nothin on 30 years of being tortured in HELL and then 10 years of doing the torture. That isn't something you can come back from easily.
I agree, Sam needs more screen time. Plain and simple he DOES.
Don't lay the blame on Dean, though, blame the writers.
And blame Sam too, he's got a good portion of the blame for NOT being there for Dean... he needs to step up and be the support for Dean for once, be the brother. And not just in a "I'll save you" manner. Be Dean's therapist and actually try to help him for once dammit.
Now I have to leave so that's all.
I won't deny that I'm a Deangirl BUT I also really do love Sam as well- I'm just more interested in Deans!Storyarcmythos at the moment- mostly because I really just hate Genevieve's version of Ruby and flinch everytime I see her on screen. Most of the times she's on screen is when Sam is without Dean.
What has really come to annoy me are the people out there in fandom saying dean needs to 'getthehelloverhell'. Excuse me... what?
Dean is whinging. Dean is emo. Dean needs to get over it.
Would ya'll tell a POW who was tortured for months to gtf over it after being rescued? Hell, POW's take years to 'get over' things and *never fully do*. I'm talking about the ones that are treated badly... and guess what... they will never be the same person they were before. And those POWs? They tend to have therapists and people they talk to. Sam got Dean to spill his guts but hasn't really tried to help him through it. The only other person Dean has is Castiel... to me it made *sense* that Dean opened up to Cas and not Sam at the end of the last episode because SAM ISN'T HELPING. Dean opens up to Sam and what does he do? Basically tells him to get mad and get over it. He thinks Dean is weak for not being able to handle 40 years of being in a place that is unimaginable.
Side note: I read some things about how Dean's torture scene wasn't very good. Umm? I thought the holy water in veins and the salt in the mouth was pretty good. Both would be painful to both the demon *and* the host. Double the fun. Why was Sam more successful in the end?
a. Dean didn't want to do it in the first place
b. As alistair pointed out to dean- in the real world torture isn't as fun because you *can't cut as deep*... guess what. Sam cut to the demon's very *soul* Dean could only cut the host and do what he could with the magic knife (which we know can't kill Alastair)
c. Sam wanted to save Dean... this is where we see as screwed up as Sam is he actually does want to help Dean and still cares for him. Same thing with CasvsSam scene in the hospital
Do I miss old Dean? Sure, of course I do. That's why I rewatch episodes from time to time. But, I like the progression of the series.
I'm a fan that just joined up in August 08. I rented seasons 1-3 on netflix and pretty much marathoned it. I downloaded season 4 and even watched the first couple episodes before I finished season 3. For the first three seasons (yes even after 'the deal') it was mostly about SAM. Now that Dean's actually part of the central mythos of the show people are upset? I'd think even Sam girls would be happy that Dean isn't just there to protect Sam- that Sam is starting to stand on his own to feet thus FREEING Dean to play a bigger role. Oh wait... if that means less Sam time then nonono- doesn't work for them. Do I complain when an episode spent most of it's time around Sam... or hell when the first and second season REVOLVED around Sam? NO. I enjoyed the damn show like any fan.
I pretty much got the entire show in a series of marathons. I didn't want months or weeks to see new episodes. I liked Sam and Dean pretty much equally. The thing is that I actually sympathized more with Dean in the end.
Why? Because while Sam was able to escape the life that he lived Dean wasn't. Dean *could* have left when he turned 18 but didn't because he was the one that took care of Sam and John. He loved his family more than anything- it was all he had. He was the one that made sure that Sam had everything he wanted. In the end what happened? John and Sam fought and Sam abandoned not only John, but Dean as well. Dean who sacrificed all his wants for Sam. Dean was left with one thing, person, to cling onto: his Dad. Eventually John left too and Dean went to find Sam. Does Sam ever care about what Dean sacrificed? Not really, at least not until season 3. Even then it's more about what Sam wants than Dean.
Sam finally wants his older brother and is realizing what he'll be without. He doesn't even stop to consider methods- the doctor dude in the one episode I hated (not content... I just hate shows that deal with body parts of living people being grafted onto others) was not someone Sam should have even considered where it comes to keeping Dean alive.
Once Dean's gone Sam is conveniently saved by Ruby who he makes an alliance with- and from Sam's own mouth (she said what Dean would have said) sort of replaced Dean. We get that in the most recent episode as well- she called him Sammy without protest from him.
Dean is back and Sam is still acting like he's not. Sure he *knows* that Dean is back, but he's acting as if Dean should be the person he was before he spent 40 years in hell. Of all people Sam should know how supernatural things can change a person permanently- how many people have they saved or fought? Is Sam actually trying to help Dean? I say no. not really.
Hell, Sam doesn't even trust his brother anymore. He doesn't tell him anything. Sam pushed and pushed Dean to open up- even when Sam 'wasn't pushing' he still was- it was hanging between them. So, Dean finally opens up about hell and about torturing other souls... and now what do we see... Sam telling Dean to get angry and get over it. Dean doesn't want to get angry because the torturing he did? He did it through anger. Anger about being tortured.
Dean is breaking and Sam isn't helping him. The Sam who used to practically be a psychologist for the victims the ran into at times isn't really trying to help Dean deal with things in a correct manner. He doesn't seem to want to. He, like a lot of fans, expect Dean to just be the old Dean again.
News flash: ain't gonna happen. Why? Because the characters have grown, changed, and evolved over time. Sam has, Dean has, hell Bobby has. Even Castiel has.
Why isn't it the brother show anymore? Well it ain't because of Dean. Dean keeps trying to reconnect with Sam- practically every episode he asks Sam to stop lying to him... does Sam? No. In fact, while Dean is trying to be a brother Sam really isn't. Sam goes through the motions but this latest episode shows that no, Sam isn't trying to be that brother anymore. Maybe it's not on purpose... but Ruby has replaced Dean in being the person Sam needs- at least in his own mind. That was hammered home for me via Ruby calling Sam 'Sammy'.
All in all- don't tell me Dean needs to 'get over it'. Because I'll take that as you saying a POW needs to get over months of torture. And really? Those months have nothin on 30 years of being tortured in HELL and then 10 years of doing the torture. That isn't something you can come back from easily.
I agree, Sam needs more screen time. Plain and simple he DOES.
Don't lay the blame on Dean, though, blame the writers.
And blame Sam too, he's got a good portion of the blame for NOT being there for Dean... he needs to step up and be the support for Dean for once, be the brother. And not just in a "I'll save you" manner. Be Dean's therapist and actually try to help him for once dammit.
Now I have to leave so that's all.
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Date: 2009-03-23 03:51 am (UTC)a lot.